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		<title>By: Chris Stout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Stout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Years ago, a young lady came into the tax office that I managed here in Salt Lake City. She needed tax returns prepared because she had received several 1099&#039;s.  She had gone to the Blockheads, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and Give Me Death Tax Service and each of the preparers told her that they couldn&#039;t help her. 

She was in her 20&#039;s and had never filed tax returns because she had never received a W-2. She had worked as an exotic dancer, or in less polite circles as a stripper. The year I met her, she had received 1099&#039;s for the previous 2 years while working in Nevada as, you guessed it, a prostitute. She was clearly frightened that I would kick her out of the office as the other &quot;tax professionals&quot; had done. 

First, I explained that the source of her income while in Nevada was legal. Second, I explained that any income she earned anywhere else while performing the same services, still needed to be reported to the IRS. The real problem that she had was not how she had earned the money, but that she really had no clue about how much she had made.  Somebody along the way had told her that it was best to do everything in cash to conceal her illegal activities -- and, no  I don&#039;t think it was anybody at ACORN. 

Ultimately she determined income and legitimate expenses and I filed a Schedule C -- using &quot;Other Personal Services&quot; as the code.  Every year since then I have filed her taxes. Each year I tell her that she should earn her money in legal ways, and each year she tells me that she will -- eventually.  As a tax professional, it is not up to me to report her activities. If I knew for a fact she was harming minors or enticing them to engage in this illegal acitvity, I would report her anonymously to the local authorities. 

I watched the video and watched the reports on Fix Noise when they came out orginally. I saw outrage on both sides. First, it was apparent to me, as a manager of a tax office and as a trainer of tax preparers that these people had no business being anywhere near the words &quot;tax preparation&quot; and that ACORN had apparently fallen down on their responsibility to ensure proper training.  Second, the whole video seemed like entrapment to me and that I could see where an untrained person might fall into the trap of wanting to help a person. But it seemed outrageous that a &quot;pimp&quot; would bring a &quot;prostitute&quot; to ANY office looking for tax advice for HER.

To me, this story is LESS about corruption and MORE about education.  Anybody armed with an education could have dealt with the situation honestly and accurately.  I would hope that at some time in the future ACORN is able to educate their tax preparers and be able to participate in VITA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, a young lady came into the tax office that I managed here in Salt Lake City. She needed tax returns prepared because she had received several 1099&#8242;s.  She had gone to the Blockheads, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and Give Me Death Tax Service and each of the preparers told her that they couldn&#8217;t help her. </p>
<p>She was in her 20&#8242;s and had never filed tax returns because she had never received a W-2. She had worked as an exotic dancer, or in less polite circles as a stripper. The year I met her, she had received 1099&#8242;s for the previous 2 years while working in Nevada as, you guessed it, a prostitute. She was clearly frightened that I would kick her out of the office as the other &#8220;tax professionals&#8221; had done. </p>
<p>First, I explained that the source of her income while in Nevada was legal. Second, I explained that any income she earned anywhere else while performing the same services, still needed to be reported to the IRS. The real problem that she had was not how she had earned the money, but that she really had no clue about how much she had made.  Somebody along the way had told her that it was best to do everything in cash to conceal her illegal activities &#8212; and, no  I don&#8217;t think it was anybody at ACORN. </p>
<p>Ultimately she determined income and legitimate expenses and I filed a Schedule C &#8212; using &#8220;Other Personal Services&#8221; as the code.  Every year since then I have filed her taxes. Each year I tell her that she should earn her money in legal ways, and each year she tells me that she will &#8212; eventually.  As a tax professional, it is not up to me to report her activities. If I knew for a fact she was harming minors or enticing them to engage in this illegal acitvity, I would report her anonymously to the local authorities. </p>
<p>I watched the video and watched the reports on Fix Noise when they came out orginally. I saw outrage on both sides. First, it was apparent to me, as a manager of a tax office and as a trainer of tax preparers that these people had no business being anywhere near the words &#8220;tax preparation&#8221; and that ACORN had apparently fallen down on their responsibility to ensure proper training.  Second, the whole video seemed like entrapment to me and that I could see where an untrained person might fall into the trap of wanting to help a person. But it seemed outrageous that a &#8220;pimp&#8221; would bring a &#8220;prostitute&#8221; to ANY office looking for tax advice for HER.</p>
<p>To me, this story is LESS about corruption and MORE about education.  Anybody armed with an education could have dealt with the situation honestly and accurately.  I would hope that at some time in the future ACORN is able to educate their tax preparers and be able to participate in VITA.</p>
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		<title>By: IRS Cuts Ties with ACORN &#124; taxgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>IRS Cuts Ties with ACORN &#124; taxgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2009 &#183; 0 comments   The IRS announced on Wednesday that it is cutting ties with ACORN after disastrous video footage was released showing ACORN workers offering inappropriate and flawed tax ad.... The IRS will no longer include ACORN in its VITA (volunteer income tax assistance) program: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2009 &middot; 0 comments   The IRS announced on Wednesday that it is cutting ties with ACORN after disastrous video footage was released showing ACORN workers offering inappropriate and flawed tax ad&#8230;. The IRS will no longer include ACORN in its VITA (volunteer income tax assistance) program: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The San Francisco Chron reports that ACORN has received 53 million dollars since 1994 from the federal government.  yes tons, i say, tons of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The San Francisco Chron reports that ACORN has received 53 million dollars since 1994 from the federal government.  yes tons, i say, tons of money.</p>
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		<title>By: ACORN Loses Federal Funding &#124; taxgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACORN Loses Federal Funding &#124; taxgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 02:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 17, 2009 &#183; 0 comments   Just days after offering some &#8220;interesting&#8221; tax advice on film, ACORN was hit with a House bill that would deny federal funds to the group. Rep. Eric Cantor [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 17, 2009 &middot; 0 comments   Just days after offering some &#8220;interesting&#8221; tax advice on film, ACORN was hit with a House bill that would deny federal funds to the group. Rep. Eric Cantor [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the difference is that ACORN holds itself out to be a non-for profit getting TONS of money from the gov&#039;t and this is just yet ANOTHER story about how corrupt the orginization and its leaders are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the difference is that ACORN holds itself out to be a non-for profit getting TONS of money from the gov&#8217;t and this is just yet ANOTHER story about how corrupt the orginization and its leaders are.</p>
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		<title>By: JBruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing was obviously a setup -- how else would it have got on camera? And now, of course, the &quot;there&#039;s nothing racist about this!&quot; right wingers are creeping out of their holes to righteously denounce this terrible travesty, bla bla bla.
I didn&#039;t see the &quot;top story&quot; run on CNN, but I&#039;m sure it showed a couple of cute sound bites and said nothing about the possibility that the advisor was just in over her head. And, of course, the tape reveals nothing about a &quot;policy&quot; by ACORN to go out and advise pimps and ho&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing was obviously a setup &#8212; how else would it have got on camera? And now, of course, the &#8220;there&#8217;s nothing racist about this!&#8221; right wingers are creeping out of their holes to righteously denounce this terrible travesty, bla bla bla.<br />
I didn&#8217;t see the &#8220;top story&#8221; run on CNN, but I&#8217;m sure it showed a couple of cute sound bites and said nothing about the possibility that the advisor was just in over her head. And, of course, the tape reveals nothing about a &#8220;policy&#8221; by ACORN to go out and advise pimps and ho&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert D Flach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert D Flach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JBruce-

I agree that the &quot;pimp and pro&quot; would probably receive a similar response, or worse, from Henry and Richard, Jackson Hewitt or Liberty.

BTW- the proper response should be &quot;You need to go to a tax expert. (PERIOD)&quot;.  No need to add &quot;like a CPA&quot;.  A CPA is not necessarily a tax expert.

TWTP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JBruce-</p>
<p>I agree that the &#8220;pimp and pro&#8221; would probably receive a similar response, or worse, from Henry and Richard, Jackson Hewitt or Liberty.</p>
<p>BTW- the proper response should be &#8220;You need to go to a tax expert. (PERIOD)&#8221;.  No need to add &#8220;like a CPA&#8221;.  A CPA is not necessarily a tax expert.</p>
<p>TWTP</p>
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		<title>By: JBruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>JBruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before we jump all over ACORN&#039;s tax advisor,  maybe we should secretly videotape for a few hours inside a &quot;mainstream&quot; tax-preparation office such as H&amp;R Block, Jackson-Hewitt, etc.  I bet you&#039;ll find tax advice at least as bad as ACORN&#039;s on matters equally esoteric. Come on now, how often does one of these tax prep offices deal with someone whose &quot;occupation&quot; and questions are so far off the mainstream? 
Tax &quot;preparers&quot; at these outfits receive a couple of weeks &quot;training&quot; and are turned loose on the public. They can do a 1040-EZ and a &quot;simple&quot; 1040 that doesn&#039;t have a Schedule C. The Schedule C is where they fall down a black hole, and if there&#039;s depreciation involved I bet most of them have no idea what&#039;s going on.
So far as I can tell, the lady at ACORN did the best she could with this oddball situation. Certainly if these &quot;taxpayers&quot; had consulted with a different preparer in the same office (or at one of the &quot;mainstream&quot; offices) they would have received different, although maybe equally inappropriate advice. The proper respoinse by the preparer should have been, of course, &quot;this is pretty involved and I don&#039;t know if I can give you the answers you need; you need to go to a tax expert such as a CPA.&quot;
In passing, I have a friend who works in one of the &quot;mainstream&quot; tax prep locations and she tells me that their whole system is, basically, a ripoff and that with difficult questions their instructiuons are to take the most conservative least-likely-to-generate-an-audit approach, potentially costing their clients a bundle in unnecessary taxes.  They&#039;re playing cover-your-@$$ for their employer rather than looking out for their clients&#039; best interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we jump all over ACORN&#8217;s tax advisor,  maybe we should secretly videotape for a few hours inside a &#8220;mainstream&#8221; tax-preparation office such as H&amp;R Block, Jackson-Hewitt, etc.  I bet you&#8217;ll find tax advice at least as bad as ACORN&#8217;s on matters equally esoteric. Come on now, how often does one of these tax prep offices deal with someone whose &#8220;occupation&#8221; and questions are so far off the mainstream?<br />
Tax &#8220;preparers&#8221; at these outfits receive a couple of weeks &#8220;training&#8221; and are turned loose on the public. They can do a 1040-EZ and a &#8220;simple&#8221; 1040 that doesn&#8217;t have a Schedule C. The Schedule C is where they fall down a black hole, and if there&#8217;s depreciation involved I bet most of them have no idea what&#8217;s going on.<br />
So far as I can tell, the lady at ACORN did the best she could with this oddball situation. Certainly if these &#8220;taxpayers&#8221; had consulted with a different preparer in the same office (or at one of the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; offices) they would have received different, although maybe equally inappropriate advice. The proper respoinse by the preparer should have been, of course, &#8220;this is pretty involved and I don&#8217;t know if I can give you the answers you need; you need to go to a tax expert such as a CPA.&#8221;<br />
In passing, I have a friend who works in one of the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; tax prep locations and she tells me that their whole system is, basically, a ripoff and that with difficult questions their instructiuons are to take the most conservative least-likely-to-generate-an-audit approach, potentially costing their clients a bundle in unnecessary taxes.  They&#8217;re playing cover-your-@$$ for their employer rather than looking out for their clients&#8217; best interests.</p>
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		<title>By: dining room tables</title>
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		<dc:creator>dining room tables</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pretty much agree that condoms should be essential and normal. And as for the clothing that she will wear, nurse dress and the like should be considered as costumes that are not adaptable to use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pretty much agree that condoms should be essential and normal. And as for the clothing that she will wear, nurse dress and the like should be considered as costumes that are not adaptable to use.</p>
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		<title>By: My Journey</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t heard about it till it was covered on your site and a couple other blogs this weekend! Where has my head been (hint: NFL time)</description>
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