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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.taxgirl.com/ask-the-taxgirl-allowances-for-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-14579</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why shouldn&#039;t the IRS and the Federal Reserve get a cut off the kid&#039;s hard-earned lawn-mowing money?  They deserve it, don&#039;t they???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t the IRS and the Federal Reserve get a cut off the kid&#8217;s hard-earned lawn-mowing money?  They deserve it, don&#8217;t they???</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Day</title>
		<link>http://www.taxgirl.com/ask-the-taxgirl-allowances-for-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-12243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not give financial advice in of itself,  I suggest they go to the local credit union they bank or wherever.  However, @ the same time, I feel it is my obligation to advise the most advantageous situations they can take and the client determines what they want to do.

I may have not made myself clear, tho in that I would never suggest the 529 be in the child&#039;s name.  However, for example I have a client that has three children in range of ages about 11-15 yrs old this last year.  Through the years each of the children savings accounts  had between  $1000 and $2000 in a savings account.  I told them if they visited the credit union and put those monies in a 529 plan they would gain 20% on the money.  So all of a sudden those children&#039;s monies grew  $1000 between them.  I am confident that those particular taxpayers will then find a way to put more in again in the future years.

But more than just giving an allowance for chores around the house, I hate when I find someone has their own business (schedule c) and  the grandfather just gives his grandson some money and doesn&#039;t know that he can pay the grandson and put the money in a Roth IRA.  Deduct the expenses off his schedule C (it is month to month storage units) for the mowing of the grass and emptying the units when folks leave all their garbage instead of just giving the child the money.  And he is @ at 25% tax rate and the amount goes in a ROTH IRA  @ zero taxable income to never be taxed, in that particular case the children&#039;s aunt is a manager of the local bank.  5 years after the 1st year, that grandson that is now 16 yrs old has aproximately $10,000 in that ROTH IRA.

It is the parents to decide if they want to &quot;pay&#039; for the chores not mine! But I have an obligation that if they want to utilize the laws it is there for the choosing.  If the dad wants to pay $300 for the chores and puts in a ROTH IRA for the child and then is suave in the art of the stocks, who knows.  If he wants to let his child use the money for toys, that is his decision not mine.  But he sits at my desk he knows all the options.  
Which I thought the original mother should be given since she wanted advice.

Which is why I don&#039;t like the freebies preparers etc.  I think no approach fits everyone and everyone should know all the options that are available to them.  Do I think it can be risky in crossing the line out of legalities, which is now redundant, that&#039;s why I don&#039;t like inexperienced making the decisions or giving the advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not give financial advice in of itself,  I suggest they go to the local credit union they bank or wherever.  However, @ the same time, I feel it is my obligation to advise the most advantageous situations they can take and the client determines what they want to do.</p>
<p>I may have not made myself clear, tho in that I would never suggest the 529 be in the child&#8217;s name.  However, for example I have a client that has three children in range of ages about 11-15 yrs old this last year.  Through the years each of the children savings accounts  had between  $1000 and $2000 in a savings account.  I told them if they visited the credit union and put those monies in a 529 plan they would gain 20% on the money.  So all of a sudden those children&#8217;s monies grew  $1000 between them.  I am confident that those particular taxpayers will then find a way to put more in again in the future years.</p>
<p>But more than just giving an allowance for chores around the house, I hate when I find someone has their own business (schedule c) and  the grandfather just gives his grandson some money and doesn&#8217;t know that he can pay the grandson and put the money in a Roth IRA.  Deduct the expenses off his schedule C (it is month to month storage units) for the mowing of the grass and emptying the units when folks leave all their garbage instead of just giving the child the money.  And he is @ at 25% tax rate and the amount goes in a ROTH IRA  @ zero taxable income to never be taxed, in that particular case the children&#8217;s aunt is a manager of the local bank.  5 years after the 1st year, that grandson that is now 16 yrs old has aproximately $10,000 in that ROTH IRA.</p>
<p>It is the parents to decide if they want to &#8220;pay&#8217; for the chores not mine! But I have an obligation that if they want to utilize the laws it is there for the choosing.  If the dad wants to pay $300 for the chores and puts in a ROTH IRA for the child and then is suave in the art of the stocks, who knows.  If he wants to let his child use the money for toys, that is his decision not mine.  But he sits at my desk he knows all the options.<br />
Which I thought the original mother should be given since she wanted advice.</p>
<p>Which is why I don&#8217;t like the freebies preparers etc.  I think no approach fits everyone and everyone should know all the options that are available to them.  Do I think it can be risky in crossing the line out of legalities, which is now redundant, that&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t like inexperienced making the decisions or giving the advice.</p>
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		<title>By: oxnate</title>
		<link>http://www.taxgirl.com/ask-the-taxgirl-allowances-for-kids/comment-page-1/#comment-12242</link>
		<dc:creator>oxnate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 02:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting off the subject here, but Jeff started it.

An allowance is a great way to teach kids financial responsibility.  However, you get into trouble when you try to tie it to chores.  As a parent, you are giving them money so they can learn to make choices with that money.  You buy them everything anyway, so you&#039;re not really loosing anything that way.  They get money because they are your kids.  You love them and want to teach them about money.  They do chores because they are part of the family.  Period.  Especially when the child is older and perhaps no longer &quot;feels&quot; like mowing the lawn that week.  Do you then withold their allowance and prevent them from learning about money?  No.

Also, children should NOT be opening Roth IRAs or 529 plans.  That is for the parents to do.  Children should open savings accounts that they can use in the near future for something they want.  -A new toy or computer game.  This is a great way to teach children good saving and spending habits.

¢¢ - Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting off the subject here, but Jeff started it.</p>
<p>An allowance is a great way to teach kids financial responsibility.  However, you get into trouble when you try to tie it to chores.  As a parent, you are giving them money so they can learn to make choices with that money.  You buy them everything anyway, so you&#8217;re not really loosing anything that way.  They get money because they are your kids.  You love them and want to teach them about money.  They do chores because they are part of the family.  Period.  Especially when the child is older and perhaps no longer &#8220;feels&#8221; like mowing the lawn that week.  Do you then withold their allowance and prevent them from learning about money?  No.</p>
<p>Also, children should NOT be opening Roth IRAs or 529 plans.  That is for the parents to do.  Children should open savings accounts that they can use in the near future for something they want.  -A new toy or computer game.  This is a great way to teach children good saving and spending habits.</p>
<p>¢¢ &#8211; Nate</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly, why do I believe there are times you really wish I didn&#039;t read your blog, which I do think is sensational?

However, I think an answer was overlooked here.  Instead of &quot;giving an allowance&quot; to the child.  Especially when the child is a little older, the child should &quot;earn&quot; what he/she is gets.

If the child is paid for example for mowing the grass.  If the child is paid for example for cleaning the room.  Then the child &quot;earned the money&quot; has to be reasonable for the age/experience work performed.  But then instead of just giving the money to the child.  A Roth IRA can be opened at their savings institution and those monies earn interest free and used for the expenses @ time of school of college etc.

If the parents live in many states such as Indiana, they could consider instead of a Roth IRA putting those monies into a 529 college plan.  In our State the contributions in a 529 plan gets a 20% refundable credit on the state tax return.  

But the mom seems to be intelligent in wanting to plan ahead and do the right things both on the tax return and for the child&#039;s future.

Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly, why do I believe there are times you really wish I didn&#8217;t read your blog, which I do think is sensational?</p>
<p>However, I think an answer was overlooked here.  Instead of &#8220;giving an allowance&#8221; to the child.  Especially when the child is a little older, the child should &#8220;earn&#8221; what he/she is gets.</p>
<p>If the child is paid for example for mowing the grass.  If the child is paid for example for cleaning the room.  Then the child &#8220;earned the money&#8221; has to be reasonable for the age/experience work performed.  But then instead of just giving the money to the child.  A Roth IRA can be opened at their savings institution and those monies earn interest free and used for the expenses @ time of school of college etc.</p>
<p>If the parents live in many states such as Indiana, they could consider instead of a Roth IRA putting those monies into a 529 college plan.  In our State the contributions in a 529 plan gets a 20% refundable credit on the state tax return.  </p>
<p>But the mom seems to be intelligent in wanting to plan ahead and do the right things both on the tax return and for the child&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Hollee Temple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hollee Temple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this blog! Just heard about you through some mutual lawyer friends (know you&#039;ve been a star for awhile, we&#039;re new bloggers). But if I hadn&#039;t gone the legal writing route, I could have been Taxgirl. Love the way you tell it simply -- this is great! -Hollee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this blog! Just heard about you through some mutual lawyer friends (know you&#8217;ve been a star for awhile, we&#8217;re new bloggers). But if I hadn&#8217;t gone the legal writing route, I could have been Taxgirl. Love the way you tell it simply &#8212; this is great! -Hollee</p>
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