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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph, I agree with you (and many others).  However, it&#039;s clear that she has an advisor who has seen her tax info (and I have not), so I wouldn&#039;t want to suggest that the advice wasn&#039;t appropriate since I don&#039;t know for sure.  That&#039;s why I just focused on the forms issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph, I agree with you (and many others).  However, it&#8217;s clear that she has an advisor who has seen her tax info (and I have not), so I wouldn&#8217;t want to suggest that the advice wasn&#8217;t appropriate since I don&#8217;t know for sure.  That&#8217;s why I just focused on the forms issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the caller (writer?) stated that he got a refund last year, isn&#039;t it possible that he/she is exempt because of the safe harbor provisions that Rick and Natalie B. mentioned? His/her W-2 withholding this year might very well match last year&#039;s tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the caller (writer?) stated that he got a refund last year, isn&#8217;t it possible that he/she is exempt because of the safe harbor provisions that Rick and Natalie B. mentioned? His/her W-2 withholding this year might very well match last year&#8217;s tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Karyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Rick, for the info on the annualized method and Form 2210. 

Actually, thanks to the information from Taxgirl on this blog, we elected to file an amended return and claimed the first time home buyer credit and received the money this spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Rick, for the info on the annualized method and Form 2210. </p>
<p>Actually, thanks to the information from Taxgirl on this blog, we elected to file an amended return and claimed the first time home buyer credit and received the money this spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karyn, if you bought a house in 2009 you may be able to claim the first time home buyer credit for 2009.

Also if you are mostly paid in December you should be able to figure your tax and pay the right amount before January 15 2010, using the annualized method on form 2210 you should not have to worry about any penalties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karyn, if you bought a house in 2009 you may be able to claim the first time home buyer credit for 2009.</p>
<p>Also if you are mostly paid in December you should be able to figure your tax and pay the right amount before January 15 2010, using the annualized method on form 2210 you should not have to worry about any penalties.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great graphics - cute banner.  Nice blog......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great graphics &#8211; cute banner.  Nice blog&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Karyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the issue is that I often don&#039;t get paid until the end of the year (working for publishers, etc.) and it is never the same as the previous year. How can I pay an estimated tax if I haven&#039;t made any money yet! I did make an estimated tax payment in July and September.

I&#039;m paranoid about penalties though, so we&#039;ve been having extra money withheld from my husband&#039;s paychecks, in addition to paying &quot;pie in the sky&quot; tax estimations for what we &quot;hope&quot; to make this year, but probably won&#039;t.

We also, for the first time ever, will have the opportunity to use a Schedule A/B because we bought a house, so that will affect our taxes too (I hope!). 

All in all, it feels like a crap shoot and even though we are trying our best, we could get a penalty in the end. Which would be especially ironic if we end up getting a refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the issue is that I often don&#8217;t get paid until the end of the year (working for publishers, etc.) and it is never the same as the previous year. How can I pay an estimated tax if I haven&#8217;t made any money yet! I did make an estimated tax payment in July and September.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m paranoid about penalties though, so we&#8217;ve been having extra money withheld from my husband&#8217;s paychecks, in addition to paying &#8220;pie in the sky&#8221; tax estimations for what we &#8220;hope&#8221; to make this year, but probably won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>We also, for the first time ever, will have the opportunity to use a Schedule A/B because we bought a house, so that will affect our taxes too (I hope!). </p>
<p>All in all, it feels like a crap shoot and even though we are trying our best, we could get a penalty in the end. Which would be especially ironic if we end up getting a refund.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In order to protect yourself against underpayment penalties, the rule is that you must pay in quarterly: 

-90% of your current year (2009) tax (which requires you to estimate) , or:
-100% (110% if your AGI is over $150k/$75k MFS) of the prior year (2009) tax.  This must be paid in quarterly.

My advice would be to go ahead and pay in whatever amount is necessary to get you to the 100%/110% of your 2008 tax since you&#039;ve stated that your 2009 income (and therefore tax) will be much higher than 2008.   The sooner you pay in, the lower your penalty will be.

Karyn, your easies solution would be to take 100%/110% of your prior year tax, divide by four, and just pay that in each quarter.  The only reason I would try to estimate 2009 income is if you expect it to be much lower than 2008.  However, what you&#039;re currently doing will work for the IRS as Form 2210 provides the ability to enter your income by quarters.

As I do with all clients, if you&#039;re withholding or lack thereof requires you to make estimated payments each year, I&#039;d advise you to apply any overpayment to your next year tax and forego receiving a refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In order to protect yourself against underpayment penalties, the rule is that you must pay in quarterly: </p>
<p>-90% of your current year (2009) tax (which requires you to estimate) , or:<br />
-100% (110% if your AGI is over $150k/$75k MFS) of the prior year (2009) tax.  This must be paid in quarterly.</p>
<p>My advice would be to go ahead and pay in whatever amount is necessary to get you to the 100%/110% of your 2008 tax since you&#8217;ve stated that your 2009 income (and therefore tax) will be much higher than 2008.   The sooner you pay in, the lower your penalty will be.</p>
<p>Karyn, your easies solution would be to take 100%/110% of your prior year tax, divide by four, and just pay that in each quarter.  The only reason I would try to estimate 2009 income is if you expect it to be much lower than 2008.  However, what you&#8217;re currently doing will work for the IRS as Form 2210 provides the ability to enter your income by quarters.</p>
<p>As I do with all clients, if you&#8217;re withholding or lack thereof requires you to make estimated payments each year, I&#8217;d advise you to apply any overpayment to your next year tax and forego receiving a refund.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget for most people if you pay in what your tax liability was last year you will not have a penalty if you owe.  And if you figure your tax in January or early February you still have until April 15 to pay the tax.

Remember however if have no withholding (totally self employed) the most important estimated payment you make is the first one.  Waiting until September to make you first estimate is never a good idea unless you can show yon made no money until the third quarter.  You are suppose to pay the tax as you make it.

If you have withholding but have other income you don&#039;t have to make estimated payments you can simply increase your withholding.  

To the person who wrote in, my portfolio is up too, but I won&#039;t have to pay tax on those gains until I sell the stock.  However, if you have mutual funds those capital gains will hit you this year as you get to pay the gains realized by the mutual fund.  So it makes a difference as to what you are invested in, I hope your finacial advisor understands that, many do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget for most people if you pay in what your tax liability was last year you will not have a penalty if you owe.  And if you figure your tax in January or early February you still have until April 15 to pay the tax.</p>
<p>Remember however if have no withholding (totally self employed) the most important estimated payment you make is the first one.  Waiting until September to make you first estimate is never a good idea unless you can show yon made no money until the third quarter.  You are suppose to pay the tax as you make it.</p>
<p>If you have withholding but have other income you don&#8217;t have to make estimated payments you can simply increase your withholding.  </p>
<p>To the person who wrote in, my portfolio is up too, but I won&#8217;t have to pay tax on those gains until I sell the stock.  However, if you have mutual funds those capital gains will hit you this year as you get to pay the gains realized by the mutual fund.  So it makes a difference as to what you are invested in, I hope your finacial advisor understands that, many do not.</p>
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		<title>By: Karyn Traphagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karyn Traphagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Estimated taxes are driving me crazy. I never have any idea how much I will make in a quarter, so my plan was to see how each quarter goes and then file  online (I set up an account) and pay the approximate taxes each quarter. I hope this is ok, because I had no idea how to estimate for an entire year and then divide it up into the quarters for payment. If I make more money in a quarter than the previous quarter, and pay more estimated taxes, will I end up having a penalty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Estimated taxes are driving me crazy. I never have any idea how much I will make in a quarter, so my plan was to see how each quarter goes and then file  online (I set up an account) and pay the approximate taxes each quarter. I hope this is ok, because I had no idea how to estimate for an entire year and then divide it up into the quarters for payment. If I make more money in a quarter than the previous quarter, and pay more estimated taxes, will I end up having a penalty?</p>
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