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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.taxgirl.com/obama-v-mccain-who-has-the-best-tax-package-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-7023</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashley - I don&#039;t believe you realize that 80% of the taxes are paid by the top 20% of the taxpayers (quote from the &quot;New York Times&quot;.  So it goes to commonsense that when a taxcut is given it needs to go to the ones who are doing the paying.  Nearly 40% of wage earners pay no income tax.  So if you are not paying income taxes, how can one play less than &#039;Zero&#039;.  Below is a story that gives a great analogy of our tax code.

It seemed that 10 men decided to have a business lunch once a week. They always met in the same restaurant and the bill was always, $100.00, for all 10 men. If each man was responsible for his share of the bill that would be, $10.00, each. The men decided to divide the bill based upon their ability to pay (using the progressive structure of the tax code). Using this formula the following payment arrangement was worked out based upon income.


Men 1-4 who made the least amount of money paid nothing.

Man 5 paid $ 1.00

Man 6 paid $ 3.00

Man 7 paid $ 7.00

Man 8 paid $12.00

Man 9 paid $18.00

Man 10 paid $59.00


After several weeks the owner of the restaurant told the men that because they were such good customers he was reducing the bill by $20.00. Their dilemma was how to divide up the, $20.00. If each person got the same amount then the first 4 men would be getting money back but they never paid anything for the dinners.  After much discussion and no resolve the owner offered the following suggestion which they all agreed to.


Original Payment-New Payment-$ Amount Saved-% Saved


Men 1-4 paid $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $0.00 0%


Man 5 paid $ 1.00 $ 0.00 $1.00 100%


Man 6 paid $ 3.00 $ 2.00 $1.00 33%


Man 7 paid $ 7.00 $ 5.00 $2.00 28%


Man 8 paid $12.00 $ 9.00 $3.00 25%


Man 9 paid $18.00 $14.00 $4.00 22%


Man 10 paid $59.00 $50.00 $9.00 15%


Once outside the men began to argue about the settlement. Man 5 said he only got, $1.00, while Man 10 received, $9.00. Men 1-4 were upset because the received nothing. They said that the cut only benefited the rich and the poor got nothing. They were upset so they beat up Man 10 and left him. The next week they met for lunch as usual except man 10 did not show up. When the new bill arrived the men discovered that between them they did not have enough money to pay even half of the bill.

Remember take to much from the rich they will find a new and friendlier place to have lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashley &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe you realize that 80% of the taxes are paid by the top 20% of the taxpayers (quote from the &#8220;New York Times&#8221;.  So it goes to commonsense that when a taxcut is given it needs to go to the ones who are doing the paying.  Nearly 40% of wage earners pay no income tax.  So if you are not paying income taxes, how can one play less than &#8216;Zero&#8217;.  Below is a story that gives a great analogy of our tax code.</p>
<p>It seemed that 10 men decided to have a business lunch once a week. They always met in the same restaurant and the bill was always, $100.00, for all 10 men. If each man was responsible for his share of the bill that would be, $10.00, each. The men decided to divide the bill based upon their ability to pay (using the progressive structure of the tax code). Using this formula the following payment arrangement was worked out based upon income.</p>
<p>Men 1-4 who made the least amount of money paid nothing.</p>
<p>Man 5 paid $ 1.00</p>
<p>Man 6 paid $ 3.00</p>
<p>Man 7 paid $ 7.00</p>
<p>Man 8 paid $12.00</p>
<p>Man 9 paid $18.00</p>
<p>Man 10 paid $59.00</p>
<p>After several weeks the owner of the restaurant told the men that because they were such good customers he was reducing the bill by $20.00. Their dilemma was how to divide up the, $20.00. If each person got the same amount then the first 4 men would be getting money back but they never paid anything for the dinners.  After much discussion and no resolve the owner offered the following suggestion which they all agreed to.</p>
<p>Original Payment-New Payment-$ Amount Saved-% Saved</p>
<p>Men 1-4 paid $ 0.00 $ 0.00 $0.00 0%</p>
<p>Man 5 paid $ 1.00 $ 0.00 $1.00 100%</p>
<p>Man 6 paid $ 3.00 $ 2.00 $1.00 33%</p>
<p>Man 7 paid $ 7.00 $ 5.00 $2.00 28%</p>
<p>Man 8 paid $12.00 $ 9.00 $3.00 25%</p>
<p>Man 9 paid $18.00 $14.00 $4.00 22%</p>
<p>Man 10 paid $59.00 $50.00 $9.00 15%</p>
<p>Once outside the men began to argue about the settlement. Man 5 said he only got, $1.00, while Man 10 received, $9.00. Men 1-4 were upset because the received nothing. They said that the cut only benefited the rich and the poor got nothing. They were upset so they beat up Man 10 and left him. The next week they met for lunch as usual except man 10 did not show up. When the new bill arrived the men discovered that between them they did not have enough money to pay even half of the bill.</p>
<p>Remember take to much from the rich they will find a new and friendlier place to have lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.taxgirl.com/obama-v-mccain-who-has-the-best-tax-package-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-7018</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Obama tax plan targets the very people who drive our economy. What he is saying is&quot;If you work hard and are successful I will tax you. If you sit on the couch I will pay you&quot;. This discussion of class warfare is nonsense. We have reached a point where more people will draw out of the Treasury than will pay in. This system WILL collapse under it&#039;s own weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama tax plan targets the very people who drive our economy. What he is saying is&#8221;If you work hard and are successful I will tax you. If you sit on the couch I will pay you&#8221;. This discussion of class warfare is nonsense. We have reached a point where more people will draw out of the Treasury than will pay in. This system WILL collapse under it&#8217;s own weight.</p>
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		<title>By: charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s tax plan will destroy the Social Security system.

Obama says his income tax plan will lower taxes for 95% of Americans.  There is just one problem with this, 40% of Americans already pay no income tax.  Obama&#039;s response to this is that these people pay Social Security tax.  Well, that&#039;s not income tax, but a contribution to their retirement plan.  So if he wins and implements his tax plan, for the first time in the history of Social Security, 40% of the people who will get retirement benefits will have paid nothing for them.  Social Security will then loose all pretext of being a retirement plan, and will become a national welfare program.

This will cause Social Security to lose public support in a massive way. Leave Social Security contributions out of income tax plans.  If you take some peoples income taxes to pay others Social Security taxes, Social Security will be destroyed forever.

http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamas-tax-plan-will-destroy-social.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s tax plan will destroy the Social Security system.</p>
<p>Obama says his income tax plan will lower taxes for 95% of Americans.  There is just one problem with this, 40% of Americans already pay no income tax.  Obama&#8217;s response to this is that these people pay Social Security tax.  Well, that&#8217;s not income tax, but a contribution to their retirement plan.  So if he wins and implements his tax plan, for the first time in the history of Social Security, 40% of the people who will get retirement benefits will have paid nothing for them.  Social Security will then loose all pretext of being a retirement plan, and will become a national welfare program.</p>
<p>This will cause Social Security to lose public support in a massive way. Leave Social Security contributions out of income tax plans.  If you take some peoples income taxes to pay others Social Security taxes, Social Security will be destroyed forever.</p>
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		<title>By: bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, you wrote, &quot;People who make money don’t stop making money becuase they have to pay higher rates. People always like to make more money period.&quot;

Actually they don&#039;t stop making money, they just move to where there are lower taxes.  The British Brain drain happened because Britain was taxing their best and brightest to much.

Many American corporations moved their operations to Ireland where the corporate tax rate is 1/3 of ours.   Where did you ever get the idea that rich people tolerate staying in a place where they are getting fleeced?

Sure the poor shlub who makes less than 100 grand a year  isn&#039;t going to move overseas, but certainly big corporations and the top 1% who pay 40% of all income taxes can easily change domiciles and certainly will when the burden becomes unbearable.  

I certainly will not be paying any increase in taxes by moving some of my company&#039;s operations overseas.  That&#039;s what happens when a &quot;fake&quot; office is cheaper than increased taxes.    I don&#039;t mind paying my fair share, I certainly do mind paying your share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, you wrote, &#8220;People who make money don’t stop making money becuase they have to pay higher rates. People always like to make more money period.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually they don&#8217;t stop making money, they just move to where there are lower taxes.  The British Brain drain happened because Britain was taxing their best and brightest to much.</p>
<p>Many American corporations moved their operations to Ireland where the corporate tax rate is 1/3 of ours.   Where did you ever get the idea that rich people tolerate staying in a place where they are getting fleeced?</p>
<p>Sure the poor shlub who makes less than 100 grand a year  isn&#8217;t going to move overseas, but certainly big corporations and the top 1% who pay 40% of all income taxes can easily change domiciles and certainly will when the burden becomes unbearable.  </p>
<p>I certainly will not be paying any increase in taxes by moving some of my company&#8217;s operations overseas.  That&#8217;s what happens when a &#8220;fake&#8221; office is cheaper than increased taxes.    I don&#8217;t mind paying my fair share, I certainly do mind paying your share.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More taxes = less money in consumer pockets which = less consumer spending.

More taxes = less money collected by the government (the Laver Curve)

More taxes in a recession or slowing economy = even a more slowing economy

I live in Md. Take a look at our state, taxes have increased and the state is 377 million in the whole. Obama will do to the country as O&#039;Mailey has done to Md

Remember people spend / buy  and sell more when taxes are low and they have more money in their pocket. This is not my opinion it is fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More taxes = less money in consumer pockets which = less consumer spending.</p>
<p>More taxes = less money collected by the government (the Laver Curve)</p>
<p>More taxes in a recession or slowing economy = even a more slowing economy</p>
<p>I live in Md. Take a look at our state, taxes have increased and the state is 377 million in the whole. Obama will do to the country as O&#8217;Mailey has done to Md</p>
<p>Remember people spend / buy  and sell more when taxes are low and they have more money in their pocket. This is not my opinion it is fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bush policies have made such a mess that our Federal budget and tax problems are near-unsolvable. The national debt is so large now that we&#039;re going to have to keep cutting programs just to keep up with increased interest each year. We cannot keep functioning if we keep that trend up. If we don&#039;t deal with some of the large problems our country faces, it will be time to look for another place to live.

I agree with Jane, having to send a quarterly tax check in lieu of withholding would open taxpayers&#039; eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bush policies have made such a mess that our Federal budget and tax problems are near-unsolvable. The national debt is so large now that we&#8217;re going to have to keep cutting programs just to keep up with increased interest each year. We cannot keep functioning if we keep that trend up. If we don&#8217;t deal with some of the large problems our country faces, it will be time to look for another place to live.</p>
<p>I agree with Jane, having to send a quarterly tax check in lieu of withholding would open taxpayers&#8217; eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And add real estate taxes and personal property taxes.  The list of where and how we&#039;re taxes is endless, so just looking at federal tax brackets does not show the whole picture of what we have to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And add real estate taxes and personal property taxes.  The list of where and how we&#8217;re taxes is endless, so just looking at federal tax brackets does not show the whole picture of what we have to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simplest way for fair taxation is to eliminate the current system of companies taking taxes out of paychecks and to require individuals to send in their tax debts every month or quarter.   Then everyone can clearly see how much they are paying.   That would be a real reality check.  People only think in term of their &quot;take home pay&quot; and not in how much these taxes are taking away.   Consumers ask, &quot;How much is my monthly payment,&quot; instead of &quot;What is the total cost?&quot;  Most Americans work the equivalent of half the year to pay all their taxes.  When you consider state taxes, sales taxes, taxes on gasoline, taxes on utilities, etc., the percentages named in these articles are not accurate.  Since we retired and have to pay estimated quarterly taxes because our pensions do not have taxes taken out, it has been a real eye opener as to what we are paying and we are not anywhere near rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simplest way for fair taxation is to eliminate the current system of companies taking taxes out of paychecks and to require individuals to send in their tax debts every month or quarter.   Then everyone can clearly see how much they are paying.   That would be a real reality check.  People only think in term of their &#8220;take home pay&#8221; and not in how much these taxes are taking away.   Consumers ask, &#8220;How much is my monthly payment,&#8221; instead of &#8220;What is the total cost?&#8221;  Most Americans work the equivalent of half the year to pay all their taxes.  When you consider state taxes, sales taxes, taxes on gasoline, taxes on utilities, etc., the percentages named in these articles are not accurate.  Since we retired and have to pay estimated quarterly taxes because our pensions do not have taxes taken out, it has been a real eye opener as to what we are paying and we are not anywhere near rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Ask the taxgirl: How much will Obama&#8217;s tax plan cost me? &#124; taxgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ask the taxgirl: How much will Obama&#8217;s tax plan cost me? &#124; taxgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My quick summaries of the tax plans can be found here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My quick summaries of the tax plans can be found here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Anguh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Anguh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think leaving the rich and not cutting taxes from them is not a good thought for such world economy.Taxes cut should increase on the rich for they are the ones who make the economy on the ride.McDonalds and all those other big guys should know that a better tax system is that where the rich pay higher while those are really struggling to make living pay less.
  I bet you all Americans that,if it happens like,that,then you shall see the economy boom but in days and not months or a year.

           THANXX !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think leaving the rich and not cutting taxes from them is not a good thought for such world economy.Taxes cut should increase on the rich for they are the ones who make the economy on the ride.McDonalds and all those other big guys should know that a better tax system is that where the rich pay higher while those are really struggling to make living pay less.<br />
  I bet you all Americans that,if it happens like,that,then you shall see the economy boom but in days and not months or a year.</p>
<p>           THANXX !!!</p>
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