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Taxpayer asks:

I read this article today and it seemed very aggressive, bordering on overly aggressive. Can you comment?

http://www.startchurch.com/blog/view/name/can-pastors-deduct-tithes-as-business-expenses

The tithe situation here just seems too good to be true. Next, my understanding that pastors are considered self-employed only for purposes related to the SE tax, not for deducting expenses. Therefore the home office must be for the employer’s convenience, not the employees. Can a pastor with a church office make a case for his home office being at his employer’s convenience?

Taxgirl says:

My readers send me a number of links and I am often asked to comment on posts like the one in your question. I tend not to post links publicly if there’s not value in them – especially if I’m being baited or if I feel like my response would just be critical.

But this is a pretty interesting question and I get the feeling that you’re actually looking for an answer and not just a critique. So I’m going to oblige.

The long and short of it is that I agree with many of your points. The IRS does assign a kind of “dual” status for ministers (and in fact all clergy but I’m going to refer to ministers in this post) but it’s not as easy-breezy as the author implies. Ministers may be considered self-employed for the purposes of FICA but that doesn’t confer special treatment by allowing them to otherwise classify their relationship with the church. If a minister receives wages from the church and has established an employee-employer relationship, the IRS will expect that expenses and benefits be reported as such. This means that business and professional expenses would be deducted on Schedule A, not Schedule C. Those expenses are subject to the normal reporting requirements.

A minister who clearly has independent status (such as a traveling minister who serves many churches) or who also performs “a la carte” independent services (such as officiating at weddings not connected with his ministerial duties at the church) may receive one or more forms 1099 and may file a Schedule C. But otherwise, wages are reported on a form W-2 and the regular rules apply.

So now let’s get to the tithe as a business expense. On its face, I would agree that a tithe could meet the criteria as “ordinary and necessary.” It is, in fact, common and accepted in many religions to tithe. And by qualifying it in a contract, it could be viewed as helpful and appropriate for your trade or business. But it would not qualify as a business expense reportable on Schedule C for ministers classed as employees.

Quite frankly, even if it did qualify, I think it’s a case of the tax tail wagging the dog. No matter how you characterize, it’s still a 10% cut in salary if you’re required by contract to pay it out to the church. A SE savings doesn’t make up for a required outlay as a condition of employment. Is it worth it to tie yourself to a condition of employment? Not to mention the whole lack of warm fuzzies I get at the idea that my pastor would be required to give money back to the church. Is that just a case of robbing Peter to pay… Peter?

However, believe it or not, creating an employment contract that requires you to turn over a portion of your salary to a charitable organization could actually qualify the tithe as a charitable donation. Even though there’s clearly an expectation of something in return (in this case, a job) the IRS has specifically addressed this very situation and determined that it may be allowable. It’s also worth noting that while there’s an upper limit to the amount of charitable deductions that you can take, there is no threshold to meet as with unreimbursed employee expenses.

With respect to the home office, I agree with your comments about the commute. To qualify for the home office deduction, the home office must be:

  1. regularly and exclusively used for business activity; and
  2. your principal place of business.

I think it’s a tough argument to make for many ministers that a home office qualifies as the “principal” place of business. Generally, a church is the place where most of the work takes place.

Additionally, a home office is, as you correctly point out, for the convenience of the employer, not the employee. I know of few churches which do not have suitable space available for ministers. If the space is available, the employee may not opt to work from home (as a choice) and claim a home office deduction. This isn’t restricted to churches – that’s the rule.

You can’t deduct the cost of commuting to your place of work. If your home office is for your convenience – and not for the convenience of the church – traveling to the church would be considered a commute and therefore wouldn’t qualify as a business expense.

And again, the restrictions relating to home office and commuting are for the minister as an employee, not as an independent contractor. You can’t act as though you’re an independent contractor when you’re an employee, minister or not.

If you’re interested in finding out more, check out Weber v. Commissioner, 103 T.C. 378 (1994), aff’d 60 F.3d 1104 (4th Cir. 1995). This is more or less the case as far as the IRS is concerned on the tax treatment of ministers. In that case, which the IRS won, a Methodist minister claimed to be self-employed for the purpose of income tax and Social Security. The case, which was upheld on appeal, found that the employee test for income tax purposes is the same for ministers as regular folks, regardless of Social Security status.

I hope that clears up any confusion. Thanks for writing in!

Like any good lawyer, I need to add a disclaimer: Unfortunately, it is impossible to give comprehensive tax advice over the internet, no matter how well researched or written. Before relying on any information given on this site, contact a tax professional to discuss your particular situation.

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Taxpayer asks:

Hi Tax Girl,

I had income from multiple sources in 2008 – albeit, not much…it was a bad year :(

I briely worked as an independent contractor for a real estate company and received a 1099-MISC for $5,467 of non-employeee compensation.
It was reported under the single member LLC I formed (to my EIN). I created this LLC in June 2008 with the main purpose of pass-through taxation.
In July 2008 I opened a business checking account in the name of my LLC, deposited the $5,467, then wrote myself a check a few days later. I then deposited it into my personal checking account.

For the LLC, I elected to be taxed as an S-corp.

What tax form(s) do I use to report this income, to acheive the pass-through taxation?

Thanks in advance,

Taxgirl says:

The easy answer is that you would file a form 1120-S for the S corporation and then file a form 1040 to report the pass through income. Depending on the type of income, you will likely file a Schedule C (or E) and report any employment income (I’m guessing you didn’t withhold at the S corporation level) paid to you on a Schedule SE.

But gosh that’s a lot of work.

I am not sure why you elected the S status but if it was only for liability protection and pass through taxation, I probably would have advised you to keep the SMLLC. For federal tax purposes, a SMLLC is considered a disregarded entity, which means that you wouldn’t have to file a separate return. You would have simply reported the income on your regular form 1040 – with the appropriate related schedules. No extra returns necessary.

Folks like S corporations for a lot of reasons, but they can often be a bit of overkill for smaller businesses. There are restrictions that can limit your options (health care deductions spring to mind).

I’d highly recommend that you check with your tax pro to confirm that your current set up is what will best meet your needs. You might be able to save some time and aggravation down the road with a structure that’s a bit more simple.

(And psst, tax pros, hold your fire. I know that S corporations can have favorable results in some cases. But be sure and pay attention to the dollar amounts in this post before lecturing me on saving SE tax!)

Like any good lawyer, I need to add a disclaimer: Unfortunately, it is impossible to give comprehensive tax advice over the internet, no matter how well researched or written. Before relying on any information given on this site, contact a tax professional to discuss your particular situation.

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It’s Fix the Tax Code Friday!

Over the last few days, there has been a lot of focus on Obama’s nominee for Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geithner, and his tax woes. Geithner’s tax problems still from the failure to pay self-employment taxes during his stint at the IMF. Critics on both sides have seized this opportunity to pounce on the self-employment tax (the FICA equivalent for those not subject to withholding) as potentially confusing and burdensome to the self-employed. Honest mistake or deliberate action – Geither’s omission has raised the profile of self-employment taxes.

So today’s Fix the Tax Code Friday question is:

Should self-employed persons be allowed to opt out of paying self employment tax (and thus, collecting Social Security benefits and the like)?

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Taxpayer asks:

Hello there and thank you for answering my question.

I am self employed and contributed nearly $8,000 in cash/non cash donations this past year (goodwill, church, habitat for humanity). When my friend did my taxes on her computer program it did not reflect a deduction upon entering in the charitable donation information.
I hve all proper documentation but I am wondering if there is some place in particular she has to put the amount on the form when not filing a long form?

Taxgirl says:

The short answer is that you have to use the long form.

The short form (1040-EZ) is a basic tax form for taxpayers who report wages, use the standard deduction and plan to claim no credits other than the earned income tax credit (EITC). You cannot claim itemized deductions on a short form.

Charitable contributions are itemized deductions. You report itemized deductions on a schedule A on your federal form 1040 on lines 16-19 (see below):

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If your itemized deductions exceed your standard deduction ($5,450 if single and $10,900 if married filing jointly), you’ll want to claim the itemized deduction to get the bigger benefit.  You should consider other deductions that might be included on Schedule A such as medical expenses, other taxes paid, casualty losses, job expenses and miscellaneous expenses to maximize your available deductions.

More importantly, however, than the charitable deductions issue is that if you’re self-employed, you can’t use the short form. You must use a long form (federal form 1040) if you had net earnings from self-employment of at least $400. You’ll need to file a Schedule SE to figure your self-employment tax – and you will likely want to file a Schedule C to claim business expenses against your business income.

Make sure you’re using a good computer program, like TurboTax or TaxAct, to walk you through these forms. If it’s still too confusing, consider hiring a tax professional.

Like any good lawyer, I need to add a disclaimer: Unfortunately, it is impossible to give comprehensive tax advice over the internet, no matter how well researched or written. Before relying on any information given on this site, contact a tax professional to discuss your particular situation.

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