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Admit it, you Google for tax advice. You might have even Googled to find me (Google seems to like me now that they no longer think I’m a porn site). But you can take Google too far… Just ask Kenneth and Trudi Woodard.

The Woodards filed a joint federal income tax return for the 2004 tax year. On that return, they failed to include $150,000 in distributions from IRAs in the name of Kenneth Woodard. The IRS subsequently assessed the Woodards a $27,606 deficiency and a $5,521 accuracy-related penalty (ouch). Mr. and Mrs. Woodard appealed the penalty, representing themselves in the process.

The facts weren’t in dispute. Basically, in 2004, Mr. Woodard withdrew $150,000 from various Vanguard retirements accounts to satisfy some outstanding loans. Mrs. Woodard didn’t know about any of this.

Mr. Woodard knew a little something about money. He had an MBA from Harvard and he previously earned a CPA license. And with a little bit of knowledge in hand, he claims that did what many of us would do: he searched the internet. Using information that he found via Google, he believed he thought he had a self-directed IRA and that he intended to reinvest the $100,000 in private mortgages. He eventually conceded that the funds were taxable but argued that the accuracy-related penalty shouldn’t apply to him because he thought “that his research on the Internet using the Google search engine provided him with reasonable cause for the position he took when filing his 2004 Federal income tax return.”

Mr. Woodard brought up this “forgive me for Googling” argument because relief from accuracy-related penalties can be granted in certain circumstances. For example, relying on a tax pro for tax advice may be sufficient so long as you use “ordinary business care and prudence.” What constitutes ordinary business care and prudence may vary but more or less, I’d advise you to consider the “laugh tax” – can you make the argument with a straight face?

Under the circumstances, it didn’t appear that Mr. Woodard used ordinary care and prudence. Adding to his problems, Mr. Woodard did not provide the links that he used (I can assure you, they weren’t from taxgirl.com!). With this in mind, the court found:

Without knowing the sources of the information, it is impossible for the Court to determine that those sources were competent to provide tax advice. Accordingly, we cannot conclude that Mr. Woodard exercised ordinary business care and prudence in selecting and relying upon the information he found on line.

Interestingly, the Woodards divorced in 2009. As I was researching the case, I was going to make a joke about Mr. Woodard being in the dog house for his error – but now I think it’s a little tacky (although apparently true). Trudi Woodard subsequently filed for, and received, Innocent Spouse Relief.

There are a few lessons to be learned here:

  1. Be nosy. While it’s true that the now ex-Mrs. Woodard was eventually granted complete relief, that is often a difficult argument to make. Know what your spouse is up to if you’re signing a joint return.
  2. Be diligent. Don’t completely rely on the internet for important tax decisions. A case can turn on facts and circumstances – that’s why I advise you to consult with a tax pro if you have questions. The internet can be a great resource as a starting place but the follow-up is all on you.
  3. Be meticulous. When you get advice, write it down or ask your tax pro to put it in writing. Keep it with your tax records.
  4. Be smart. You can figure out this last one for yourself.

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It’s Getting to Know You Tuesday! Today’s featured tax professional is Frank “Vinny the Body” Santoro. Frank describes himself as “Preacher’s Wife (on leave), Adoptive Parent, CPA, Libertarian, Musician, Amateur Theologian, Muckraker, Instrument Rated Pilot, Cancer Survivor and Know-It-All.”

Let’s get to the interview!

1. Where are you now?

At home on the couch, logging in to work via VPN. If it were last week I would have been switching back and forth between the White Sox game and “I’m a Celebrity…Get Me Out of Here!”

2. What’s your official title and what does it mean?

Manager, International Corporate Services, Really Big Accounting Firm, Chicago (new title effective 1 July). I suppose it’s pretty self explanatory; I was already managing people, projects, and client relationships before except now I will have a firm-supplied Crackberry, be on call outside of “working hours” and will never have to share a hotel room with a colleague at training ever again. I’m basically smack in the middle of the food chain.

3. What books are on your night stand?

Mostly a pile of New Yorker magazines to catch up on – I’m only 4 or 5 issues behind right now. That and “Devil in the White City” by Erik Larson, which I finished a few months back.

4. If you weren’t working in the tax profession, what would your dream job be?

Pilot or stay at home dad.

5. What’s the last movie that you saw (DVD or in the theatre)?

“Up”. Sobbed like a baby during the introduction/backstory and never kept a dry eye for long during the rest of the film.

6. Tax is a huge subject. What’s your area of special interest?

Currently international tax for businesses. We generally split our time between advising US clients operating abroad and foreign companies operating in the US. All of our advice is from a US income tax perspective, but we often have to coordinate with colleagues in other countries to assist clients with foreign tax advice. A good deal of my work focuses on foreign tax credit or tax treaty issues.

In my last gig I specialized in religious nonprofit and charitable gift planning tax issues, which is an even more esoteric area than international.

7. What’s the best tax or financial advice that anyone ever gave you?

Never borrow money to buy a depreciating asset.

The best advice my wife ever got was when she was about to enter the ministry (she’s an ordained United Methodist pastor). A good friend told her she needed to get a good CPA. So she married me.

8. Coffee or tea?

Tea (green or caffeine free), although I have been known to drink coffee socially on occasion.

9. Name five artists on your iPod (or mp3 player).

These days I mostly have podcasts for the daily train/bus ride, but I do have Stephen Colbert’s Christmas Special and “Full Tilt”, the latest album from Lil’ Ed and the Blues Imperials. And I can go from “Whad’ya Know” to “The McLaughlin Group” to “Car Talk” to “Savage Love Podcast” to “Planet Money” without batting an eye on my commute, although I have had to teach myself to not laugh out loud at Dan Savage’s comments on the train.

10. What would I be surprised to know about you?

- My favorite genres of music are old school rap/hip-hop (Kurtis Blow, Grandmaster Flash, Fat Boys, Run DMC) and bluegrass. No cognitive dissonance, I swear!
- My wife and I met in the Seed and Feed Marching Abominable, Atlanta’s only street theatre cum attack marching band.
- I am a testicular cancer survivor.

11. What college did you attend (in what subject)?

I started at Loyola University in New Orleans on a music scholarship, but halfway through decided to switch to accounting. I thought since I was good at math it would logically follow that I would I would enjoy accounting. Wrong!!! All I can say is thank God for tax (Editor’s note: Don’t we all?). I finished my undergrad and Masters in Tax at Georgia State University in Atlanta.

12. If you had the opportunity to make one change in the tax code tomorrow – an extra credit, a disallowed deduction, whatever – what would it be?

I would say change the US tax system from a worldwide income basis to a territorial basis (i.e., you only pay tax on what you earn in the US). But then I would probably be out of a job. How about denying a deduction for companies who advertise on reality TV and cable news talk shows?

13. What’s the best thing on TV right now?

Ninja Warrior / Sasuke and Unbeatable Banzuke on G4. My wife complains that I often turn up the volume despite the fact that the announcer is speaking Japanese and I don’t understand a word of it. Or anything on Current TV.

14. What do you think Congress will repeal first: estate tax or AMT?

Neither, although I think more meaningful moves will be made to lessen the “collateral damage” from the AMT. The estate tax is here to stay but maybe with a pretty decent exemption (somewhere in the $3-5 million range)

15. If Uncle Sam handed you a huge refund check right now, what would you do with it?

Either buy a share in a flying club or start our next adoption, depending on who opened the mail.

16. Biggest tax newsmaker: Obama nominees, UBS or TARP?

The UBS story will be a blockbuster if the DOJ backs off like the Times claims. Otherwise TARP, but it’s much more boring.

17. And, other than taxgirl, what’s your favorite tax related web site?

TaxProf Blog, but I also follow re:The Auditors on public accounting issues in general.

Thanks Frank!

You can follow Frank at his blog at http://vinnysgotcancer.blogspot.com – a word of caution: it’s not as frequently updated now as before (but still looks to be a good read).

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Taxpayer asks:

Hello taxgirl,

I love your blog! My question is as follows:

I prepare taxes, so naturally I will prepare my own taxes. Can I deduct MY tax preparation fee (the fee I would charge someone else for a tax return with the same complexity)?

Thanks,

Taxgirl says:

Thanks for the nice words!

Unfortunately, I’m going to have to say no to your question. :(

The idea behind claiming most deductions is that there is generally a corresponding item of income (some exceptions exist but you get the idea). So when you pay someone to do your taxes, the preparer reports it as income, you claim it as a deduction. Voila! But when you self-prepare your taxes, whether or not you’re a professional, there’s no income component. So it makes sense that there would be no deduction.

On the plus side, you can claim a deduction for out of pocket expenses paid for tax preparation software, tax publications and the costs associated with electronic filing. Those expenses, together with fees paid to a tax preparer in the year of the return (for example, fees paid in 2008 would be reported on your 2008 return) will be reported on Schedule A of your federal form 1040 as an itemized miscellaneous deduction. You have to itemize to take advantage of this deduction.

And yes, since I know some tax pro out there is gonna ask, if you paid yourself (though not sure why you’d do this), I’m thinking you could deduct it.

Like any good lawyer, I need to add a disclaimer: Unfortunately, it is impossible to give comprehensive tax advice over the internet, no matter how well researched or written. Before relying on any information given on this site, contact a tax professional to discuss your particular situation.

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I’ve blogged before about what to bring to your tax pro when you’re doing your taxes. Sheila at Get Sheila offers a brilliant glimpse at what not to bring. Enjoy!

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Ask the taxgirl: Do I need my 401(k) statement?

9 March 2009

Taxpayer asks:
is a person suppose to take his 401 k statement with him when he gets his taxes done! even though im not taking anything out of it as a penalty and i dont plan on it! sure the 401 k plan is another income but im not taking anything out of it until i [...]

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Twittering Tax Pros, Take Two

10 November 2008

In April of this year, I posted a list of Twittering Tax Pros. Since then, I’ve been tweeting up a storm and my list of folks that I follow has grown – that means it’s time for an update!
Here’s the list so far (arranged by ABC order of real names, well, except for [...]

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Obituary: William M. Goldstein, Philadelphia Tax Attorney

6 August 2008

William Goldstein, a popular Philadelphia tax attorney, passed away today. Here, reprinted with permission from Drinker Biddle, is his obituary:
William M. Goldstein, 72, a partner at Drinker Biddle & Reath LLP in Philadelphia and one of the nation’s preeminent tax and business lawyers, died today. A resident of Wayne, Pa., he had battled [...]

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