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	<title>Comments on: The Child and Dependent Care Credit Sucks (Or How You Can Tell That Congress is Full of Men)</title>
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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I moved from Colorado to the East coast (Philadelphia) this past year for a &quot;better job&quot;. I was making $30,000 in Colorado, and now I make just over $45,000. The issue, of course, is that NOW I am taxed almost 5% of my gross income by Philadelphia and Pennsylvania. 

I knew about the higher taxes before my move. I also knew that I would have higher expenses here on the East coast. As a single mom, I spend almost $10,000 a year here for child care (almost DOUBLE what I spent in Colorado). Still, I didn&#039;t think too much of it - especially since I believed the child care credit would help curb those expenses. 

But no, those deductible expenses are capped at $3,000. It isn&#039;t just the Dependent Care Credit. I don&#039;t even qualify for the Earned Income Credit that my income would&#039;ve allowed me to claim in Colorado. 

Since $3,000 is the cap on deductible expenses for the Dependent Care Credit, coupled with the lower cost of living and taxation in Colorado, moving here was -scarily- a poor financial decision. 

I made this move with the intent of raising my (and my daughter&#039;s) standard of living. In this country, we are taught that working hard and making honest money would be rewarded. It is sad and frustrating to find yourself in a situation where you find yourself making 50% more money and subsequently finding out that those extra hours spent at the office didn&#039;t benefit your wallet. 

WHY does the government cap those deductible expenses at such a LOW number? I don&#039;t want a handout, but come on - this benefits nobody. I agree with taxgirl. It doesn&#039;t benefit the lower-class, middle-class, nor upper-class. We ALL spend a great bundle of money on child care. I work hard. 

We should get more women into Congress. Our government should do more to encourage hard work and diligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved from Colorado to the East coast (Philadelphia) this past year for a &#8220;better job&#8221;. I was making $30,000 in Colorado, and now I make just over $45,000. The issue, of course, is that NOW I am taxed almost 5% of my gross income by Philadelphia and Pennsylvania. </p>
<p>I knew about the higher taxes before my move. I also knew that I would have higher expenses here on the East coast. As a single mom, I spend almost $10,000 a year here for child care (almost DOUBLE what I spent in Colorado). Still, I didn&#8217;t think too much of it &#8211; especially since I believed the child care credit would help curb those expenses. </p>
<p>But no, those deductible expenses are capped at $3,000. It isn&#8217;t just the Dependent Care Credit. I don&#8217;t even qualify for the Earned Income Credit that my income would&#8217;ve allowed me to claim in Colorado. </p>
<p>Since $3,000 is the cap on deductible expenses for the Dependent Care Credit, coupled with the lower cost of living and taxation in Colorado, moving here was -scarily- a poor financial decision. </p>
<p>I made this move with the intent of raising my (and my daughter&#8217;s) standard of living. In this country, we are taught that working hard and making honest money would be rewarded. It is sad and frustrating to find yourself in a situation where you find yourself making 50% more money and subsequently finding out that those extra hours spent at the office didn&#8217;t benefit your wallet. </p>
<p>WHY does the government cap those deductible expenses at such a LOW number? I don&#8217;t want a handout, but come on &#8211; this benefits nobody. I agree with taxgirl. It doesn&#8217;t benefit the lower-class, middle-class, nor upper-class. We ALL spend a great bundle of money on child care. I work hard. </p>
<p>We should get more women into Congress. Our government should do more to encourage hard work and diligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can tell that the people behind this, have very little sense of reality when it comes to childcare. And the truth is that, women suffer the most of all the headache caused by this clause.

I&#039;m on the other end of the income. Made under 13000 in 2009, and under 14000, in 2010. I am not on any kind of welfare program. In 2009, I was out of a job for 3 months. I lived off my savings and having no other family here, I had to pay a lot for childcare so I could look for work. I finally found one, part time. It required a lot of driving and we were reimbursed mileage and time. I don&#039;t have to tell you what that can do to your car, beside which they made me carry more auto insurance coverage than I wanted or needed. During the holidays, I was employed as a casual worker at USPS. Didn&#039;t get paid for the 3-4 weeks that we worked until the next year 2010. I almost had a heart attack when I found out that all my efforts were in vain. Bottom line: I did not make enough money. I spent more money for childcare than I earned  at the part time job I got for the remaining 9 months of the year.  We all know what 2010 was like in the job market. Even getting a full time job , the last 2 months of the year did not help. It killed me to have the taxes taken off from my check, but it still did not help. 

What exactly are we supposed to do? Is there a way to show these people in congress that something needs to be done. Whether the care is private or daycare center, etc. it is still money paid, expenses accrued. High income or low income, there&#039;s no win. Taxgirl&#039;s right. We struggled to use the little we had to keep the economy moving. We patronized those business so we wouldn&#039;t have to ask for help from Uncle Sam and, in my case Uncle Ricky.These business paid taxes to the government.  Something needs to be done. If there is a movement or petition addressing this issue, please let me know. Right now I&#039;m feeling too sick to the stomach again because of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can tell that the people behind this, have very little sense of reality when it comes to childcare. And the truth is that, women suffer the most of all the headache caused by this clause.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the other end of the income. Made under 13000 in 2009, and under 14000, in 2010. I am not on any kind of welfare program. In 2009, I was out of a job for 3 months. I lived off my savings and having no other family here, I had to pay a lot for childcare so I could look for work. I finally found one, part time. It required a lot of driving and we were reimbursed mileage and time. I don&#8217;t have to tell you what that can do to your car, beside which they made me carry more auto insurance coverage than I wanted or needed. During the holidays, I was employed as a casual worker at USPS. Didn&#8217;t get paid for the 3-4 weeks that we worked until the next year 2010. I almost had a heart attack when I found out that all my efforts were in vain. Bottom line: I did not make enough money. I spent more money for childcare than I earned  at the part time job I got for the remaining 9 months of the year.  We all know what 2010 was like in the job market. Even getting a full time job , the last 2 months of the year did not help. It killed me to have the taxes taken off from my check, but it still did not help. </p>
<p>What exactly are we supposed to do? Is there a way to show these people in congress that something needs to be done. Whether the care is private or daycare center, etc. it is still money paid, expenses accrued. High income or low income, there&#8217;s no win. Taxgirl&#8217;s right. We struggled to use the little we had to keep the economy moving. We patronized those business so we wouldn&#8217;t have to ask for help from Uncle Sam and, in my case Uncle Ricky.These business paid taxes to the government.  Something needs to be done. If there is a movement or petition addressing this issue, please let me know. Right now I&#8217;m feeling too sick to the stomach again because of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ask the taxgirl: Childcare and the Self-Employed &#124; taxgirl</title>
		<link>http://www.taxgirl.com/the-child-and-dependent-care-credit-sucks-or-how-you-can-tell-that-congress-is-full-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-14161</link>
		<dc:creator>Ask the taxgirl: Childcare and the Self-Employed &#124; taxgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the result of one of those really annoying rules that I&#8217;ve complained about before. The child care credit is dependent upon your qualify income. Qualifying income must be from wages [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Taxes, Bootstrapping and Being Parents Don&#8217;t Mix &#171; the talking trekaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.taxgirl.com/the-child-and-dependent-care-credit-sucks-or-how-you-can-tell-that-congress-is-full-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-10122</link>
		<dc:creator>Taxes, Bootstrapping and Being Parents Don&#8217;t Mix &#171; the talking trekaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tax Girl critises this tax law for other reasons: The Child and Dependet Care Credit Sucks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 21:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, to those tired of &quot;supporting&quot; other people&#039;s children, get over it!  We are part of a society and part of a society&#039;s responsibilities is to prepare the next generation of citizens.   This includes education, parks, and supporting parent friendly programs.  I&#039;d like to see where the country would be in 30 years if everyone decided to stop having children.  For an small example, look to Japan&#039;s stalled economy over the last 20 years.  Just because you have decided not to take on the sacrifice of having children of your own, doesn&#039;t mean you don&#039;t have a responsibility to the future of this country.

And you claim we want Uncle Sam to pay for our child care, but you are dead wrong.  I have no problem paying for child care, but why should we have to pay taxes on the amount we have to pay?  It&#039;s not like this is a luxury we are trying to deduct here.  Really it&#039;s a business expense, because we have to pay for child care in order to go to work!  We are just trying to make ends meet here.  

We pay about $16,500/year to have just 2 kids in daycare.  My wife makes about $32,000/year.  So over half of her gross pay goes to daycare.  Take out taxes and it&#039;s about $26,000/year or $2166/month even with the tax credit allowance.  Then take out daycare and it&#039;s $9500/year or $792/month to take home.  It&#039;s not much, but we need it.

And remember people, we don&#039;t get $6000, we only get a percentage of that, around $1500, deducted from our taxes.  I/12t isn&#039;t free money from the government!

Basically, my wife works hard 40 hours a week to bring home $800/month after taxes and child care.  If we could deduct the entire $16,500 instead of just $6000, we could keep another $200/month.  We aren&#039;t looking for a handout, just to keep a little more of our hard earned money.  Stop taxing child care!

P.S.  To magpie:  If you have a dependent care flex account, you can still take the credit, but you have to subract the $5000 you contibuted tax free to the account from the $6000, meaning you can claim a $1000 allowance for the credit.  I don&#039;t know why they just don&#039;t allow you to contribute $6000 to the account!  That&#039;s Congress and the IRS for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, to those tired of &#8220;supporting&#8221; other people&#8217;s children, get over it!  We are part of a society and part of a society&#8217;s responsibilities is to prepare the next generation of citizens.   This includes education, parks, and supporting parent friendly programs.  I&#8217;d like to see where the country would be in 30 years if everyone decided to stop having children.  For an small example, look to Japan&#8217;s stalled economy over the last 20 years.  Just because you have decided not to take on the sacrifice of having children of your own, doesn&#8217;t mean you don&#8217;t have a responsibility to the future of this country.</p>
<p>And you claim we want Uncle Sam to pay for our child care, but you are dead wrong.  I have no problem paying for child care, but why should we have to pay taxes on the amount we have to pay?  It&#8217;s not like this is a luxury we are trying to deduct here.  Really it&#8217;s a business expense, because we have to pay for child care in order to go to work!  We are just trying to make ends meet here.  </p>
<p>We pay about $16,500/year to have just 2 kids in daycare.  My wife makes about $32,000/year.  So over half of her gross pay goes to daycare.  Take out taxes and it&#8217;s about $26,000/year or $2166/month even with the tax credit allowance.  Then take out daycare and it&#8217;s $9500/year or $792/month to take home.  It&#8217;s not much, but we need it.</p>
<p>And remember people, we don&#8217;t get $6000, we only get a percentage of that, around $1500, deducted from our taxes.  I/12t isn&#8217;t free money from the government!</p>
<p>Basically, my wife works hard 40 hours a week to bring home $800/month after taxes and child care.  If we could deduct the entire $16,500 instead of just $6000, we could keep another $200/month.  We aren&#8217;t looking for a handout, just to keep a little more of our hard earned money.  Stop taxing child care!</p>
<p>P.S.  To magpie:  If you have a dependent care flex account, you can still take the credit, but you have to subract the $5000 you contibuted tax free to the account from the $6000, meaning you can claim a $1000 allowance for the credit.  I don&#8217;t know why they just don&#8217;t allow you to contribute $6000 to the account!  That&#8217;s Congress and the IRS for you!</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Beckett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Beckett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO the real purpose of the child care tax credit is to force home-based care providers to declare their income to the IRS and pay taxes. The credit is not enough to help working parents in a meaningful way or even to &quot;encourage working&quot;. But it&#039;s enough that the working parents are not going to pass it up. To claim it, they must submit the care provider&#039;s SSN on their tax return (or identify the care provider by name and indicate that the provider refused to give the SSN). Either way a care provider that does not declare the income is going to be in hot water with the IRS.

Prior to this credit, most home-based care providers could earn $20-40K/year or more under the table. Not only not paying taxes on it, but also maintaining eligibility for assistance like food stamps, WIC, earned income credit, medicaid, etc. So it&#039;s a bigger issue than just making sure the IRS gets its due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO the real purpose of the child care tax credit is to force home-based care providers to declare their income to the IRS and pay taxes. The credit is not enough to help working parents in a meaningful way or even to &#8220;encourage working&#8221;. But it&#8217;s enough that the working parents are not going to pass it up. To claim it, they must submit the care provider&#8217;s SSN on their tax return (or identify the care provider by name and indicate that the provider refused to give the SSN). Either way a care provider that does not declare the income is going to be in hot water with the IRS.</p>
<p>Prior to this credit, most home-based care providers could earn $20-40K/year or more under the table. Not only not paying taxes on it, but also maintaining eligibility for assistance like food stamps, WIC, earned income credit, medicaid, etc. So it&#8217;s a bigger issue than just making sure the IRS gets its due.</p>
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		<title>By: magpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>magpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right - and if you&#039;re lucky enough to have a dependent care flex account, you&#039;re limited to $5K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right &#8211; and if you&#8217;re lucky enough to have a dependent care flex account, you&#8217;re limited to $5K.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add..........I think this is the worst country I have lived in for child allowances. In Europe ( a place where Americans consider inferior to them) gives up to 2 years sometimes for maternity leave (in comparison to the meager 6 weeks here....and even then it&#039;s a hassle to get those 6 meager weeks). Imagine having to give your 6 week old little baby to a stranger while you have to go out to work? And a tax free child allowance is given EVERY month for EACH child in a household regardless of how much you make. This is not something claimed by spongers but is given automatically once the child is born and is every month up until they&#039;re 18. What a great way to ensure the future of your country and what a great way to give many parents the ability and more importantly, the choice to stay home and care for their children instead of having to dump them off at a mass daycare with no one on one care and attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.I think this is the worst country I have lived in for child allowances. In Europe ( a place where Americans consider inferior to them) gives up to 2 years sometimes for maternity leave (in comparison to the meager 6 weeks here&#8230;.and even then it&#8217;s a hassle to get those 6 meager weeks). Imagine having to give your 6 week old little baby to a stranger while you have to go out to work? And a tax free child allowance is given EVERY month for EACH child in a household regardless of how much you make. This is not something claimed by spongers but is given automatically once the child is born and is every month up until they&#8217;re 18. What a great way to ensure the future of your country and what a great way to give many parents the ability and more importantly, the choice to stay home and care for their children instead of having to dump them off at a mass daycare with no one on one care and attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I see a lot of you out there disagree with the child tax credit and moan and complain about paying taxes that you think go to supporting parents who want to work. Do you also disagree that this country should support the unemployed? I mean, based on your comments why should we support someone whoe gives nothing or who pays no taxes. You are essentially supporting people who chose not to work. Some people lose their jobs due to the company failing and is not a choice by them. What about disability? Do you also disagree that you should not pay taxes to support people who cannot work and who have children? Would you prefer they starve and their children die due to neglect? While I agree to some extent that people should be able to afford the kids they have I also agree whole heartedly that they should be given some kind of relief for the daycare expense they are forced to pay so that they can work and contribute to the taxes of this country. If it wasn&#039;t for the government raising interest rates/housing and making things so much more expensive both parents may not have to work in order to keep food on the table. It&#039;s a long time since the ideal 50&#039;s where the dad earned enough for all and the mother could stay home with the kids. This country needs to wake up to that. In addition these children are the future of this country and do you expect the government to ignore the future of this country? I must admit though that I do agree the place is full of men because the plan is absolutely retarded. I would love to see them survive on the maximum wage they have crated and the maximum credit. Let&#039;s see them try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I see a lot of you out there disagree with the child tax credit and moan and complain about paying taxes that you think go to supporting parents who want to work. Do you also disagree that this country should support the unemployed? I mean, based on your comments why should we support someone whoe gives nothing or who pays no taxes. You are essentially supporting people who chose not to work. Some people lose their jobs due to the company failing and is not a choice by them. What about disability? Do you also disagree that you should not pay taxes to support people who cannot work and who have children? Would you prefer they starve and their children die due to neglect? While I agree to some extent that people should be able to afford the kids they have I also agree whole heartedly that they should be given some kind of relief for the daycare expense they are forced to pay so that they can work and contribute to the taxes of this country. If it wasn&#8217;t for the government raising interest rates/housing and making things so much more expensive both parents may not have to work in order to keep food on the table. It&#8217;s a long time since the ideal 50&#8242;s where the dad earned enough for all and the mother could stay home with the kids. This country needs to wake up to that. In addition these children are the future of this country and do you expect the government to ignore the future of this country? I must admit though that I do agree the place is full of men because the plan is absolutely retarded. I would love to see them survive on the maximum wage they have crated and the maximum credit. Let&#8217;s see them try.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 17:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me like you want the government to pay for your child care.

Here&#039;s one thing I can guarantee. The day the government increases the Child Care Credit you&#039;ll see an increase in the Day Care prices almost proportionate.

The same thing happens with student loans. The feds increase the programs, schools see an opportunity to jack up tuition.

I have a client who earned $90,000 last year and paid no federal income tax; yet another had a liability of $8,0000, is it fair to have that disparity based on life choices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me like you want the government to pay for your child care.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one thing I can guarantee. The day the government increases the Child Care Credit you&#8217;ll see an increase in the Day Care prices almost proportionate.</p>
<p>The same thing happens with student loans. The feds increase the programs, schools see an opportunity to jack up tuition.</p>
<p>I have a client who earned $90,000 last year and paid no federal income tax; yet another had a liability of $8,0000, is it fair to have that disparity based on life choices?</p>
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