This hasn’t been a great year for taxpayers. As the economy takes a dive, folks are growing more and more unhappy with the amount of taxes paid. And this year, in particular, watching the IRS botch rebate payments has made taxpayers even more angry.
Wouldn’t it, I’m often asked, just be better to have a Flat Tax?
No, no and no.
There’s a great piece over at Professor Maule’s tax blog that examines why a Flat Tax is more of a political carrot than a realistic possibility. Check it out.
For more commentary on the fair tax versus the flat tax, you can follow a series of conversations beginning at this post.
It may just be a matter of semantics,but whenever I think of “flat tax”, I also think that includes the WHOLE tax code, not just the rate. I believe a simple tax would make ALL income taxable at the same rate. No more social engineering by govenrment to encourage or discourage certain activities. It would be ”How much did you make last year, no matter what the source?”….okay, now pay us x percent of that. Thank you, have a nice day. The percent would be the same for Warren Buffet as well as Joe Lunchbox. The rate could even change year to year(congressmen could compete to see who proposes the lowest rate for the next tax year) but it would apply to EVERYONE. No more deductions, no more credits, simple. However, I think there wouldn’t be much work left for tax attorneys, but you could always switch specialties couldn’t you?
Eric – as long as we have gov’t & politicians, tax professions will have jobs. You’re on the right track with structure though, I would like to see income less cost of producing income = taxable income. Period. Not income less expense = Sch C income on page 1, while investment income goes to page 1, at multiple tax rates, and investment expenses go to sch A, where they may, but mostly likely will not, provide any benefit to the taxpayer.
I think you have to go beyond just looking at income when looking at a flat tax. I think the starting point would be cost of operating gov’t divided by population = tax to an individual. I’ve found flat tax discussions end pretty quickly if I argue this point.
But, while I think a pure flat tax (on income) is unrealistic soundbite fodder used by politicians who don’t even understand the problem let alone the solution, I don’t think there’s any doubt the Code should be revised.
Oops, “tax professsions” should have been “tax professionals”
There is not such thing as a “fair” tax because whoever pays the tax will think it’s unfair. However, we could have a proportional tax system that taxes people according to their ability to pay and the impact on their lifestyle and standard of living.
Florida does not have an Income Tax, they have an Intangibles Tax — essentially a tax on accumulated wealth and investments. There is a liberal floor to eliminate taxes on fixed-income retirees who are not wealthy. The tax itself is not excessive.
I like the Intangibles Tax. It would shift the tax burden back on the wealthy. In 1913 the original US Income Tax was aimed at a very small 1/2% of the population, the highest income earners. Over the past 95 years the wealthy have managed to shift the burden to the rest of us, and managed to eliminate the Estate tax along the way. An Intangibles Tax would shift the burden back to those who could most easily afford to pay taxes without impacting their way of life or standard of living.
A flat tax, or fair tax, or national income tax, or whatever you want to call it will always leave room for the same type of manipulation as the income tax. Manipulation will lead to a disproportionate burden on middle and low income earners. There is no good reason corporations and ultra-wealthy individuals should pay little or no taxes.
The wealthy in our country get that way at the expense of the rest of us. If you have a computer running Microsoft products you helped make Bill Gates rich. I could make a long list of similar examples. Gates and the rest of the ultra-rich could easily pay a substantial intangibles tax that would have no effect on their wealth or lifestyle.
Malcolm – you’ve nailed the inherent problem with taxes. Whatever system is in place will be viewed as unfair by some. But I don’t see how you can jump so quickly from that point to the ‘the rich don’t pay enough’ point. Why should the allocation of tax burden be based on ones ability to pay and the impact to their lifestyle and standard of living? Doesn’t this in effect reward poor choices and penalize good ones, while still not tying the cost of providing services to the benefit of consuming services? I think one of the real problems we have is a disconnect between the costs and benefits of gov’t, and way too many people with ‘no skin in the game’ when it comes to taxes.
BTW, last I checked the economy wasn’t a zero sum game. My buying a product from MSFT might help Bill Gates get rich, or more rich, but he’s not getting rich at my expense – I’m getting a product that I chose to purchase, he’s receiving the benefit of producing that product. I might even get rich using his product – who’s getting rich at who’s expense then?
Not sure I agree with the “No” answer given by the professor. He states that the computation of taxable income that is complicated part. While yes, I think most laymen think a flat tax on “all earned income” is generally what’s referred to when people talk about a flat tax.
Eliminating the loopholes, deducations, tax breaks, credits, etc. is what is really needed if a flat tax system is to work.
But Jon and all – I think that’s exactly the point. As long as there are special interest groups, lobbyists and the like, there will always be deductions, tax breaks, credits, etc. If you look at the proposals in place (including the Fair Tax), they’ve already started down that road.
It starts quietly…
We can’t do away with the mortgage deduction, too many people depend on it. We’ll keep that. And what about charitable deductions? Don’t we want to offer incentives to give to charity? Let’s keep that.
What about earned income? Tax that or include passive income? If it’s just passive income, does that mean that Bill Gates pays on nothing and the guy at McDonald’s pays on his entire income?
And medical expenses? They’re big. Let’s give those people a break.
And it balloons.
It’s easy for folks to say “we’ll eliminate all of the deductions, expenses, etc.” but the reality is that it won’t happen. And thus, any new system will be largely as complicated as the one we have now.
(And psst, Eric, thanks for the concern but I’ll be ok. I don’t prepare returns – I do planning and compliance. Even if planning died, compliance would live on.)
So what is compliance if not returns? We (people & offices I’ve worked in) generally call working on returns ‘compliance work’.
Planning is certainly much more fun though.
Another Tax Geek, sorry. I guess I should have said “compliance issues” – I’m the girl you call when things go wrong! I used to prepare returns many moons ago… but I now recommend that my clients use CPAs like yourself!
Why not just a sales tax ? Leave my paycheck and house/property alone. I like the idea of 10, 10% federal, 10% state, 10% local. Don’t want a certain store in your hood, fine, but you don’t get the tax from it either. Just think of the tens of thousands of “do nothings” that we could get rid of in the government. I want to pay my tax, I just want all to pay with me. With this style of tax ALL could help pay for the American dream.
Florida does *not* have an intangibles tax. It was repealed a few years ago.
Not all poor people have made poor choices and no matter what we would all like to think, in a capitalistic system, there will always have to be poor people and not everyone is going to make the big bucks. It is just math.
And just because someone happens to be poor does not mean that they should be penalized – i.e. that a larger hunk of their money should have to be spent in a “flat tax” or in a sales tax system. The current IRC makes a lot of sense with its progressive rates. It is one of the things that I love the most about the Code.
I do not agree with the vast majority of incentives given away that are only there to help the fat cats get fatter and I do not think it is a bad idea to have an estate tax and a system in place to help accomplish the goals of this nation – for it to not become another Europe with the wealth trapped in the same blood line for too many years.
The answer, as nice as it sounds, is not a flat tax or a sales tax. (Incidentally, how many of you when you buy something in a state or county with a lower sales tax report that to your taxing authority, as is required?) It is implementing changes to the Code that actually allow it to achieve its designed intent – tax the people that most deserve it and for a President to actually give the IRS the funding it needs to hire and retain people that know enough to enforce and administer the law.
J – ‘tax the people that most deserve it’? It’s that attitude that will prevent meaningul tax reform from ever occurring. That attitude is the problem with Congress and the reason our system has gotten so out of hand.
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Dear Kelly,
I see that you have deleted my post from the thread that is getting all the traffic while leaving it on the one that was not.
This is the more appropriate thread for my post so if you are going to delete one or the other I would like you to delete the other one.
Have you ever tried to read the tax code??? The tax Code is not complicated if “We” just found time to read it! As Americans, it is our “Duty” to read and understand the tax code. It really is simple and to the point.
Laws are concise, definite, and easy to read; if we just found time to read them. Between soccer and football, and NASCAR and such “We” have lost track of what is important; keeping “OUR” government under control.
If you go to your local Law Library and search the written tax code under “Liability for tax” you will find many taxes you “COULD” be liable for if you participated in certain activities. Like distilling or importing alcohol for instance, you would be “liable” for the tax on alcohol under Section 5005 of the Code…
26 USC 5005 Persons liable for tax.
(a) General.
The distiller or importer of distilled spirits shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5001(a)(1)
Or say you are a grower or importer of Tobacco products; you would be “Liable” for the tax on tobacco under section 5703 of the Code…
26 USC 5703 Liability for tax and method of payment.
(a) Liability for tax.
(1) Original liability.
The manufacturer or importer of tobacco products and cigarette papers and tubes shall be liable for the taxes imposed by section 5701.
Let’s say you were a bookie and you accepted bets from people for horse racing or something; you would be “Liable” for the tax on wagers under section 4401 of the Code…
26 USC 4401 Imposition of tax.
(c) Persons liable for tax
Each person who is engaging in the business of accepting wagers shall be liable for and pay the tax under this subchapter on all wagers placed with him.
Now let’s say you wanted to see if you were “Liable” for “Income Taxes”, again you would look in the index to the Code under “Liability for Tax” and you might be surprised to find NO section(s) of the Code that made you “Liable” for “Income Taxes” as do the sections I have mentioned above.
What????? There is NO liability for income taxes in the Code book????? That is correct; there is no section of the Internal Revenue Code that establishes liability for income taxes!!!!!
Congressman Dan Burton—
“You are correct in your assertion that the word “liability” or terminology “liability for income taxes” is not contained in any Section of the Internal Revenue Code”
Senator John E. Ensign–
“I cannot point to a specific place in the law where it says you must pay income taxes.”
How can that be you might ask????? How can there be no law(s) establishing liability for income taxes in the Code book when I have been told I have to pay my taxes like everyone else???
The answer is simple; you, “We” have been lied to since we were born!!!! Our parents have been lied to, we have been lied to, and our children are being lied to.
Who is doing this lying you might ask??? The Government is who is lying to us.
Henry Kissinger
“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
Sir Winston Churchill
“Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across the truth. Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if nothing had happened.”
Henry Bellmon Senator (1969)
“In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that ‘If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.”
Dwight E. Avis Head of ATF
IRS House Ways and Means Subcommittee Hearings 1953
“Let me point this out now. Your income tax is 100 percent voluntary and your liquor tax is 100 percent enforced tax. Now the situation is as different as day and night. Consequently, your same rules just will not apply… ”
T. Coleman Andrews
Commissioner of IRS
“Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what’s happening to him.”
U.S. News & World Report May 25, 1956
You see the law is simple to read “IF” we would just read it!!!! Unfortunately we do not have much time in our hectic lives for such meaningless things are educating ourselves when it comes to tax law. That is what we pay our CPA’s and accountants to do.
The problem is that if they told you the truth about income taxes it would put them out of a job, because you would not need their services anymore!!!
You would certainly stop paying a tax that the law does not require you to pay; wouldn’t you??? I know I have. I obey the law as written and that is where the problem lies! You have been told the tax code is confusing and difficult to read, and that it needs to be revamped or replaced with a “Fair Tax” or a “Flat Tax” or something!!! Yet all that really needs to be done is for ALL Americans to learn the truth about income taxes and just obey the law as written!!!
Stop paying what the law does not require you to pay!!! If “We” all stopped paying the income tax the government would not know the difference because not one dime of your income tax money goes to pay for the services you expect from the government any way; it ALL goes to pay the interest on the “Federal Debt”, not the “Public Debt” the “Federal Debt”…
Grace Commission
“100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Debt… all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services taxpayers expect from government.”
Report submitted to President Ronald Reagan in 1984
Our Government sold us out many years ago and has stolen our money ever since!!!! It is time “We” stood up and take back what is rightfully ours!!!! 1) Our MONEY, and 2) our Government!!!
President Ronald Reagan, May 1983, Williamsburg, VA
“Our federal tax system is, in short, utterly impossible, utterly unjust and completely counterproductive [it] reeks with injustice and is fundamentally un-American… it has earned a rebellion and it’s time we rebelled.”
Charles Lindbergh, Sr. U. S. Congressman
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. . . . When the president signs this act, the invisible government by the money power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized. . . . The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation.”
(On the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, 1913)
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager of the Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta Georgia
“We are completely dependent on the commercial banks. Someone has to barrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied soon.”
Congressman Louis T. McFadden.
Congressman McFadden on the Federal Reserve Corporation Remarks in Congress, 1934; The Federal Reserve-A Corrupt Institution.
“Mr. Chairman, we have in this Country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks, hereinafter called the Fed. The Fed has cheated the Government of these United States and the people of the United States out of enough to pay the Nation’s debt. The depredations and iniquities of the
Fed has cost enough money to pay the National debt several times over….”
Speaker-Rep. James Traficant, Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House:
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303
“Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11.. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner’s report that will lead to our demise. It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law
89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m
session June 5, 1933 – Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only…”
It is time that “We the People” educated ourselves about what exactly is going on in Washington DC and fix the problem!!!!
Mike,
Stop being paranoid. I haven’t deleted any of your comments. I have advised you that I will put your comments into moderation in the future and I will. But I haven’t deleted anything, so please don’t say things that aren’t true.
I fear that having a flat tax will lead us down the road to Europe. While having almost/around 50% of income taxed and then using all that money to provide services for the people sounds great up front, as it stands now I can save money by not going to the doctor if I just have a cold now. I can’t do that if the money is taken out of my paycheck or my income is *dinged* at the end of the year.
Services I don’t need that I’ll have to pay for. It’s a scary thought. I know that depending on how much people believe the government should coddle it’s citizens and provide social programs might think it sounds cold that I would shy away from being taxed to provide for all…but yeah, that’s my fear.
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” -Karl Marx
That is my greatest fear. Even though if it happens it’s not like I can do anything about it.
I agree that it is short sided to believe that a flat tax will reduce or remove the loopholes and abuses of the tax system.
no one set out for the tax code to be as complicated as it has become – it is the actual application of the system that has encouraged its growth.
the taxing system is used to influence and regulate so many other aspects of taxpayer’s finances and lives – through health/child care to retirement savings – taxes affect so much more than a simple percentage of our paychecks.
As a voluntary tax payer for as long as I can remember I can’t find a good reason for a flat tax and being nor rich nor poor has not affected the I way I have respected tax laws though I may not agree with all of them. Being bios in the matter I would have to side with Ms. Kelly on this one but I must admit to being enlightened in the matter by all the previous comments. 🙂
Mike
Your comment is more complicated & as difficult to follow as the Tax Code and taxing to read.
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Kelly,
I do apologize, the link I was using went to a different thread and I did not see the post there thinking I was where I posted it. I just got back from class and found the post as you said it was there. Again I do apologize for that. I did find it!!! Sorry Kelly. I’m not paranoid I just could not find it earlier this evening.
Ren,
I am sorry if you had a hard time following my post. I am dyslexic, only went to school up to the 7th grade, and taught myself from there on. It takes me several times reading anything to really understand what it says, so I do understand what you are saying. Please try reading it again.
The simple truth is there is NO LAW that requires you, me or any other American to file or pay income taxes.
I am a Master Electrician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and hold several black belts in the martial arts. I own a small Electrical business and am working on my second small business, a martial arts school. I understand the value of learning the truth about income taxes.
It is our “Duty” to learn and understand the law as it relates to us as Americans.
We do not need a “Flat tax” or a “Fair tax” what “WE” need is to learn and understand the tax law as it relates to us!!!
If we all stopped paying this tax that is fraudulently being imposed upon us, we would have enough money to stimulate our own economy without barrowing money from China to do it. Thus we would not be setting our children up to pay back debt that we incurred!!!
Does that help you understand?
Hi Kelly —
This thread gets back to my comment, the other day, that I would vote for any candidate who promised to do nothing — no new laws, no repeal of existing laws, no tax hikes or cuts, etc., just do nothing, and stop breaking things.
A lot of Congresspeople are very smart — most of them got through law school, after all — and their basic belief is that government action can make society better; that’s why they ran for Congress! So they pass law after law, to address various issues. The tax code gets filled with deductions, credits, phase-outs, carve-outs, different tax rates for different types of capital gains, recovered depreciation, and stuff like that.
The issue of “flat vs. progressive” has nothing to do with any of this — as Mauledagain points out, you just calculate AGI, then look up a number in a tax table, so progressivity doesn’t complicate anything. (And when Congress thinks it’s “simplifying the tax system” by reducing the number of brackets, that’s just stupid. There could be a million tiny brackets, and that would not make the system any more complicated, because you’d still just be looking a number up in a tax table!)
Throw in the unintended consequences that accompany ANY legislation — a subject ‘way beyond the scop of this discussion — and it’s hopeless. Just leave things the way they are, and we’ll manage somehow!
Urb
ATG ~ I should have said “most able to pay”.
Taxes are a necessity for the government to operate. Collectively as a civilized society and a democracy, we choose to have a paid government. But only the wealthy can participate, therefore they decide who pays and how much.
Civic duty and public service no longer are the creditials or the results from the local courthouse to the White House and Capitol Hill. I doubt our Founding Fathers would be very proud of the current system and how it operates.
ATG, I agree. I am not opposed to reform or to revision (in fact, I think it’s necessary) but I do think that it is naive to believe that simply replacing one system with another will fix all of our current ills.
Ray Harris, what about states that don’t have an income tax currently? Would the feds make them? And would unincorporated municipalities also charge tax? Just trying to work out the details in my head.